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05 October 2013 @ 01:32 pm
Why would he trust a fan?!  
Some days fandom just makes me so~ *sighs*
the 'alleged' real story behind Koki's picture I linked in this post. I mean, I saw it but brushed the idea aside because really, why would he be naked? The picture is already bad with what's probably in his hand... Why would Koki show his naked self to anyone... worse yet, a fan? Why would an idol or entertainer or celebrity trust a fan?

Here's the story: majide2ch.blogspot

And with this I'm just speechless...

Nothing seems right, right now. With this, KAT-TUN may suffer some way or another.
Current Mood: sadsad
Current Music: shelter by miyavi
serial_translatserial_translat on October 5th, 2013 07:31 am (UTC)
Yeah well THERE, I'm more worried. ^^""

But as you said, it doesn't make ANY sense... Why would he trust a fan ? U___U I mean, I know Koki is nice, he makes handshakes with fans when he sees them but here it isn't the same thing at all... O.o

Nonetheless, except if there is a statement where the Johnny's says the opposite, we should have a single before 2014 since KAT-TUN did a song for Nakamaru's new drama or sp.
kissmegreen (Lyan)kissmegreen on October 5th, 2013 12:58 pm (UTC)
we should have a single before 2014 since KAT-TUN did a song for Nakamaru's new drama

it was supposed to be for Maru's drama but now everyone has doubt.

I hope things get cleared soon... for better or for worse. I just want to be at peace again >
sullesssulless on October 5th, 2013 09:26 am (UTC)
These pic looks old and photoshopped to me.
First of all even on this pic you can see he has underwear (or myb spidos bathing suite). I don't speak japanese so I know only what ppl translate, but I read that this pic was taken in the beginning of the summer - if it's true, then why is leaked in public now?

koki is a nice person, but even if he has a "wild side" he still has brain to think with. But hes reputation of "bad guy" can make him good "scapegoat".

I think that inner struggle in Johnnys for a "seat on a throne" just became really dirty in this way. Just compare Koki's pic on recent sports event and this one. And his parents were sick, didn't he said that he had to take care of them? And still had time to send this kind of pic? There is something "fishy" in this story and wrong on so many levels.
kurikuribebikurikuribebi on October 5th, 2013 11:00 am (UTC)
That's because these pictures ARE old. I'm sure of it. I f you were to look at pictures from recent events and put them side by side with these tabloid shots, we see two different Koki.

Tabloid magazines do just create drama. It's "Entertainment."
kissmegreen (Lyan)kissmegreen on October 5th, 2013 01:07 pm (UTC)
The problem isn't that the pictures are old. It's more like they suit the scandal story. So even if the pics are old, the information as we hear now is new and so the old pics are relevant.

Tabloids do love drama, but now we wait to see how JE will handle it.
kurikuribebikurikuribebi on October 6th, 2013 02:58 am (UTC)
I see it the other way around. When the pictures are old, the information in an article, especially when they are based all around said pictures, automatically becomes less credible.

kissmegreen (Lyan)kissmegreen on October 5th, 2013 01:05 pm (UTC)
Yeah I know we all want to give Koki the benefit of the doubt but... there's still a but.

Summer just ended. So for whatever reason why the pics are just released now can be many. But everything seems to be adding up now... kat-tun disappearing right after that hairstyle of his... his slow disappearance from KT Gatsuun... his non update of his Ole, cancelling of concerts and singles... we may all still be speculating but something is definitely wrong... it doesn't take much time to take a pic and send it to someone... just one click then send. not to mention the possibility of him being stressed and decided to blow off some steam and this is the result.

I guess all that's left to do now is to wait and see.

I would be more than happy if things just blow over or when I wake up, this was all just a ploy and a big fat lie. The optimistic part of me is still hoping that.
sullesssulless on October 5th, 2013 02:11 pm (UTC)
I'm not saying that he's not a prone to cause attention in a wrong way but...with JE control of medias I have a feeling that every papa pic is still well controlled.

And like someone said, still this is tabloid no official announcement. So I have a bad feeling that ppl from JE plotting something and playing power games on a account of fans feelings. And I don't appreciate that. And I don't know if it's a practice to punish whole band just bcs one member done something wrong? But it's still has no logic even if that is a chase.
That's why I don't see this as main reason for haitus. There is something much more to the story than just this.
Seelenlichtseelenlicht on October 5th, 2013 04:02 pm (UTC)
JE doesn't and never did control all info and all pictures. That's simply impossible. They can't control more than 100 Johnny's who all are grown up, have sex, scandals and what ever else...
They do their best when it comes to covering up stuff, IF it's possible.
Often it isn't. J&A is just a pretty powerful agency, but they're not God, and they simply CAN'T control all tabloids.

Of course it's not an official magazine, where you can be sure that every little info is true. But in this case...you have pictures. And you can't say anything against pictures.
While personally I *highly* doubt that Koki really sent pictures to a fan (This sounds way too stupid, doesn't it?) and you really can't be sure whether the whole story with his cock is true or not, you still have the main scandal picture. And this is already really bad. Bad enough to cancel all group activties.
(In this case everything is even worse, because the cigarette in his hands does look like a joint and in Japan *all* kind of drugs are highly prohibited.)
And especially for an idol such a behavior is a no-go. I'm afraid that too many people here are still comparing Japanese idols to American and western ones. But this is wrong.
Japanese idols are role models. They have to be 'perfect'. Or well at least their image has to be.

Sorry to say this, but JE has better stuff to do than 'playing power games on a account of fans feelings.'
We had lots of other groups who were punished. NEWS had a one year hiatus because a member had a drinking scandal. So really, that's nothing new and nothing weird.
Just really, really sad and painful for all of us.
And while I do understand that it's really painful to believe in this shit, because we only know his kind side, we just have to accept that this time he *really* fucked up.

Now we should just wait...and hope for the best I guess. It's not the first time they're dealing with scandals, so maybe everything will be alright in the end :-)

Edited at 2013-10-05 04:13 pm (UTC)
nuuufnuuuf on October 6th, 2013 10:36 am (UTC)
Just adding that the whole group has not been punished in our case. Junno, Kame, Maru and Ueda are all having solo activities. Koki is the only one who's been really "discret" lately and remained sort of hidden.
And well, I don't believe we could have a 4-member KAT-TUN. At least that's not something I would want to see.
Seelenlicht: Kat-tun chainseelenlicht on October 6th, 2013 10:47 am (UTC)
'the whole group was punished' as in 'no group activities'

'At least that's not something I would want to see.'
Ikr :/ I really, really hope that we won't have to deal with it. Like I said, Scandals are not rare in JE. They always managed to handle them, so I really hope that this time we'll just have to wait.
(Personally I would prefer to wait another half a year...or even more and then get all the boys back, than the possibilty of kicking Koki out x_x)
nuuufnuuuf on October 6th, 2013 11:45 am (UTC)
Yeah but I really believe that since he messed up Koki HAS to be punished, and then it's having effect on the group, thus the absence of group activities. I don't think KAT-TUN could be anything else than those five members all together now. Kicking Koki out ? No, no, impossible. It wouldn't be the same band, it wouldn't be KAT-TUN anymore. We need the five members to make it be KAT-TUN. That's only how I feel, though.
So looking at the bright side of things... It's just another scandal, right ? And I heard Nino talking of KT in Shuichi ? I don't know what he said but I still think that's a good sign.
nuuufnuuuf on October 5th, 2013 09:34 am (UTC)
WTH went through him... As if it wasn't serious enough without the "private part" pics *facepalm*
This better not put my beloved KAT-TUN in real danger Koki !! At least now I see where the disbandment rumours all came from.
kissmegreen (Lyan)kissmegreen on October 5th, 2013 01:08 pm (UTC)
This better not put my beloved KAT-TUN in real danger

IKR! This is the scariest, most worrisome thing of this all ;_;
20102205k20102205k on October 5th, 2013 10:12 am (UTC)
Well i don't care what he does in private just don't get caught...
I just hope they will be back for the countdown cause they probably won't be in year end special TV show ... at least we are sure they won't disband
kissmegreen (Lyan)kissmegreen on October 5th, 2013 01:10 pm (UTC)
Well i don't care what he does in private just don't get caught...

EXACTLY!!!! That's his business and he deserves a life wants... just do it responsibly.

and now we wait for more information... whatever it might be.
20102205k20102205k on October 5th, 2013 03:17 pm (UTC)
You think they will give us info ? Maybe when all of it will be settle but not before
pan-chanpandanyan on October 5th, 2013 10:48 am (UTC)
Honestly I didn't even go to that majide link but from the gist of what you wrote it's kind of sad that idols really need to exercise caution when it come to fans, in truth most of us only want what's best for them but I guess there are others who...well lol okay I don't know the whole story ><

But still I have to stress this again, JE!! Give us something official! I'm really sick of these rumors or whatever it is, we deserve an explanation. And anyway despite what Koki does in his private time it's his business anyway, isn't he suffering enough with his parents being ill and everything? >< *sigh* oh well...*returns to JunDa lalaland*
kissmegreen (Lyan)kissmegreen on October 5th, 2013 01:13 pm (UTC)
isn't he suffering enough with his parents being ill and everything?

which is why maybe the poor boy was blowing off some steam but only to have this happen. I really feel sorry and worried for him and KT as a whole.

and yeah, if this story is true or not, I hope JE states something official and put our souls and minds at rest!

I always wondered how it would be to have a junda rumour... like photos of them kissing in a restaurant or something lol... THEN, then I would live forever in lalaland lol
pan-chanpandanyan on October 5th, 2013 01:24 pm (UTC)
'I always wondered how it would be to have a junda rumour... like photos of them kissing in a restaurant or something lol... THEN, then I would live forever in lalaland lol'

LOL! I've had dreams like that! Like someone posted some tabloid clippings of paparazzi shots of them through some shady hotel window and it's just pictures and pictures of them going at it XD I swear I was blushing when I woke up >w<

kissmegreen (Lyan)kissmegreen on October 5th, 2013 01:31 pm (UTC)
I've never had a junda dream and I wonder why.

Thinking about it now, I hardly dream of KT... maybe just twice and in one Kame was just being a bitch and in the other, Junno was all fuzzy...

I hope if and when I dream of JunDa... that it will be as clear as day and as memorable as diary!
kazueila: koki-peacekazueila on October 5th, 2013 10:51 am (UTC)
I hate when the folks keep showing and dragging koki's old picture!
Haters will gonna be the haters!
kissmegreen (Lyan)kissmegreen on October 5th, 2013 01:17 pm (UTC)
wow, haven't seen you in a while and now we chat again under these circumstances :(

but I really don't think it's the old pictures that's important per se... it's just that they are pictures that suit the current story. Whether or not the story is true, is what we hope to determine soon. The main/most recent picture says a lot of things... but I can only hope the full story behind it isn't just as bad or worse.

In any case, it's all worrying... very worrying.
serial_translatserial_translat on October 7th, 2013 04:51 am (UTC)
So, check this out : http://aramatheydidnt.livejournal.com/5066507.html

Strangely, that "scandal" isn't mentionned there, except the "wild life" stuff but it could have a relation with the sentence just after.

But the article on that link doesn't make any sense for certain part, the end for instance... the place where KAT TUN held concert for CHAIN was full, and it was certainly the same for the others... so how they couldn't have been able to make enough profits for the concert ? U.U Nonsense, there're some bullshit in that article.
kissmegreen (Lyan)kissmegreen on October 7th, 2013 07:48 am (UTC)
I saw mentions of this article about the same time of Koki's photo but I didn't even read it... I read nothing from cyzowoman.

CHAIN was sold out from what I heard and was even ranked by Only Star in the best 10 concerts for 2012 - or something like this. so that article exists just to piss people off.

at this point, I just give up on all rumours and will wait on official things or as official as they can get.
Carnation Angelcarnationangel on October 8th, 2013 01:35 pm (UTC)
If this were true it would be on TV, they'd be all over it. It's from a tabloid, I believe none of it. My guess, because Koki hasn't been in the media lately the tabloids are making up stories to sell their pathetic excuse for a magazine. So until it come from a reputable source this didn't happen.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jin did this, but I can't see Koki, not now anyway.
serial_translatserial_translat on October 8th, 2013 04:53 pm (UTC)
CHECK THIS OUT !!!! : https://www.facebook.com/KATTUNLOVERS/posts/623748221001712

To that statement I say : WHENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN ???!!!
A Katcatgirl3344 on October 9th, 2013 10:30 am (UTC)
Here I come looking for some cheering up and I find the fandom in an uproar about this scandal...

I'm not going to start speculating about the truth or falseness of the story. But either way: sad. Life as an idol must be real tough, so I understand why some of them do crazy stuff to "let off steam". Idol or not, they're humans, i.e. not perfect. I accept that. OK, there should be limits to craziness... but if no one gets hurt by it and it's done (more or less) privately, who should care? (except, maybe the police if it's illegal ^^) Not sure where mailing such pictures to fans would be in terms of the limit though...

Paparazzi dragging this out into the open, that's what really upsets me here (and maybe the uproar too, since this is what keeps THEM going). I've never liked the press for their sensationalism... *sigh*

Any effects this has or may have on KAT-TUN - not good, but inevitable I guess. I just hope they get through this. Maybe an explanation from Koki, together with an apology for the uproar, would help...?

Edited at 2013-10-09 10:35 am (UTC)